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Comments on: The Shallow End of Languages https://twodee.org/blog/10769 Tue, 10 Feb 2015 15:09:26 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.1 By: Chris Johnson https://twodee.org/blog/10769#comment-203047 Tue, 10 Feb 2015 15:09:26 +0000 http://www.twodee.org/blog/?p=10769#comment-203047 In reply to SkySchermer.

Sky, I like this idea. I think you’re saying that in learning a second language, we actually notice syntactic patterns. With the first language, we learn entire expressions more than generative rules. If this is the case, sampling another programming language would make us more fluent.

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By: Eugene Wallingford https://twodee.org/blog/10769#comment-202165 Fri, 30 Jan 2015 21:14:21 +0000 http://www.twodee.org/blog/?p=10769#comment-202165 Perhaps is a first language gets out of the way sooner, students get to spend more of their time learning to decompose problems and compose algorithms. But I think the first language should have enough “stuff” help students learn some important ideas early.

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By: SkySchermer https://twodee.org/blog/10769#comment-201974 Wed, 28 Jan 2015 20:30:39 +0000 http://www.twodee.org/blog/?p=10769#comment-201974 Interesting…

If I were shooting from the hip, I would think that learning Esperanto before French would better enable one to see where the language structure intersects. That is, what parts of learning a language are really fundamental rather than specific to a given language. If you were just learning French and someone gave you a grammar rule, it would be harder to know if the rule was some specific, arbitrary thing as opposed to an intuitive ‘natural’ extension of building a language. What the two languages have in common is more likely to be fundamental to building a language, and that is the only thing that would be reinforced by learning both languages. (Apart from the meta-data that is associated with the learning environment.)

You’d expect to get the same thing with programming, even though programming is a different kind of thinking. We don’t build programming languages by starting with monstrously complex things and trimming them down, we start with small ideas and build up. Thus, where languages share common features, those features are more likely to be obvious or intuitive methodologies for constructing the languages, and a bigger part of the core of what problems the language structure is designed to solve.

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